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    E o conceito de "effective number of parameters"? Pensando tambem em
    "infill asymptotics" e "sprawl asymptotics"...<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/05/15 19:24, Ronaldo Dias wrote:<br>
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      <p dir="ltr">São~ infinitos. Aliás esta é uma das definições de
        estatística não paramétrica </p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On May 8, 2015 2:13 PM, "Elias T.
        Krainski" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="mailto:eliaskrainski@yahoo.com.br">eliaskrainski@yahoo.com.br</a>>
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          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Acho que tudo e'
            questao de nomenclatura... tome um modelo fisico
            bidimensional qualquer. Alguns consideram parametros apenas
            os parametros (fisicos) do processo. Outros considram o
            valor do processo em cada pixel como parametro... Sendo
            assim, na estatistica nao-parametrica temos parametros?<br>
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            <div>On 08/05/15 18:52, Ronaldo Dias wrote:<br>
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                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Numero

                  muito de parametros????!!!!</div>
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                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Venha

                  para mundo melhor, venha para mundo nao-parametrico
                  :-) </div>
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                  style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Ronaldo</div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">2015-05-08 13:09 GMT-03:00
                  Elias T. Krainski <span dir="ltr"><<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:eliaskrainski@yahoo.com.br"
                      target="_blank">eliaskrainski@yahoo.com.br</a>></span>:<br>
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                    <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Nao sugeri
                      nada nem manifestei opiniao alguma... <br>
                      Alias, isso sugere ter cuidado com esses numeros.<br>
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                      PS.: Achei engracado sobre os parametros :) <br>
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                      Elias
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                          <div>On 08/05/15 17:51, Julio Stern wrote:<br>
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                              <div>Bem, acho que a Madona, o Mike
                                Jackson e o Roberto Carlos </div>
                              <div>sao muito mais citados do que o
                                R.Fisher, nao eh mesmo? </div>
                              <div>Talvez o numero de citacoes seja como
                                o numero de parametros </div>
                              <div>em um modelo estatistico. </div>
                              <div>Muito pouco eh ruim, demais da conta
                                eh pior ainda... </div>
                              <div>A partir de um threshold limite,
                                caimos na super-parametrizacao, </div>
                              <div>ou na mais vulgar mediocridade. </div>
                              <div>Do jeito que a coisa vai, logo logo
                                alguem vai querer </div>
                              <div>avaliar pesquisador <span
                                  style="font-size:12pt">pelo numero de
                                  seguidores no Twitter. </span></div>
                              <div><span style="font-size:12pt">Afinal,
                                  eh uma metrica nao exige que o
                                  avaliador leia, entenda,  </span></div>
                              <div><span style="font-size:12pt">e muito
                                  menos opine, sobre nada daquilo que
                                  esta avaliando.  </span></div>
                              <div><span style="font-size:12pt">Assim,
                                  da para comparar alhos com bugalhos e
                                  chegar com </span></div>
                              <div><span style="font-size:12pt">seguranca </span><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt">aas mais
                                  idioticas conclusoes, sempre
                                  respaldado </span></div>
                              <div><span style="font-size:12pt">por </span><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt">metricas claras
                                  e objetivas. :-) </span></div>
                              <div><span style="font-size:12pt">Tenha do
                                  Elias! </span></div>
                              <div><span style="font-size:12pt">---Julio
                                  Stern     </span></div>
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                              <pre style="line-height:21.2999992370605px;white-space:normal;font-family:'Segoe UI','Segoe UI Web Regular','Segoe UI Symbol','Helvetica Neue','BBAlpha Sans','S60 Sans',Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68);font-size:15px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">>a interpretacao do i10 nao e' essa... Mas essa conclusao e' verdade.
>
>On 08/05/15 17:20, Elias T. Krainski wrote:
> que os principais papers de RF sao mais citados que os de AE, ate' o 
> momento... uma vez que sao mais antigos....
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                              <div>> Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 15:19:28
                                +0200<br>
                                > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:eliaskrainski@yahoo.com.br"
                                  target="_blank">eliaskrainski@yahoo.com.br</a><br>
                                > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br"
                                  target="_blank">abe-l@ime.usp.br</a><br>
                                > Subject: [ABE-L] I10: R. Fisher x
                                A. Einstein<br>
                                > <br>
                                > I10 R. Fisher = 885 <br>
                                > (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=pt-BR&q=ronald+fisher&btnG=&lr="
                                  target="_blank">http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=pt-BR&q=ronald+fisher&btnG=&lr=</a>)<br>
                                > I10 A. Einstein = 361 <br>
                                > (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=qc6CJjYAAAAJ&hl=pt-BR&oi=ao"
                                  target="_blank">http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=qc6CJjYAAAAJ&hl=pt-BR&oi=ao</a>)<br>
                                > <br>
                                > Einstein tem 88522 citacoes no
                                total. Fisher nao tem perfil no scholar,
                                <br>
                                > mas somando as citacoes dos 10
                                primeiros trabalhos, da um total de
                                86136 <br>
                                > citacoes.<br>
                                > <br>
                                > sum(c(16599, 10541, 16258, 5684,
                                7171, 4576, 3174, 2959, 2862, 2552,<br>
                                > 2219, 2138, 1968, 1310, 1188, 1084,
                                1049, 1051, 888, 865))<br>
                                > <br>
                                > -- <br>
                                > In God we trust, all others bring
                                data.<br>
                                > – William Edwards Deming
                                (1900-1993)<br>
                                > <br>
                                > <br>
                                >
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                    <div>Ronaldo Dias, Ph.D.<br>
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