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    Caro Marcelo, <br>
    <br>
    Acho que é possível ter um processo de validação confiável. <br>
    <br>
    Existem urnas, seções e zonas. São delegados fiscais de cada
    coligação para cada seção. Esses fiscais fazem o que o
    vocefiscal.org pretende fazer. Esse trabalho é insuficiente porque
    está baseado na confiança nos boletins de urna (BU). O BU é um papel
    impresso ao encerramento da urna com os totais de votos para cada
    candidato. <br>
    <br>
    Mas, se não confiamos no software instalado nas urnas, não devemos
    confiar nos BU. Se confiamos, então os partidos já fazem o processo
    de validação ao acumular os dados que os fiscais coletam ao final da
    votação em cada urna. <br>
    <br>
    Um possível papel impresso do voto de cada eleitor pode ser usado
    para validar o BU. Cada eleitor poderia tomar seu voto impresso,
    conferir e colocar numa urna auxiliar. Porém, esses votos em papel
    não seriam considerados pelo orgão eleitoral na contagem dos votos,
    para não voltar ao processo antigo. Os fiscais dos partidos teriam o
    direito de (juntamente com os mesários) efetuar a conferência do BU,
    au abrir a urna com os votos em papel e efetuando a contagem. Isto
    já no encerramento da urna no local de votação. Isso validaria o BU
    e os partidos teriam o trabalho que fazem hoje validado.<br>
    <br>
    Elias<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/10/15 00:14, Marcelo L. Arruda
      wrote:<br>
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          <div>Mas se o voto impresso passar pela mão do eleitor, isso
            dá margem ao “voto de corrente” (ou “voto formiguinha”, como
            alguém citou alguns e-mails atrás), tão comum nos currais
            dos coronéis do Nordeste nos tempos da cédula de papel...</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>É difícil minha gente...</div>
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                <div><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    title="daniel@concatenando.com"
                    href="mailto:daniel@concatenando.com">Daniel Ikenaga</a>
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                <div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 01, 2015 1:22 PM</div>
                <div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    title="mlarruda@terra.com.br"
                    href="mailto:mlarruda@terra.com.br">Marcelo L.
                    Arruda</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    title="abe-l@ime.usp.br"
                    href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br">abe-l@ime.usp.br</a>
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                <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ABE-L] RES: RES: RES: Urnas
                  eletrônicas são confiáveis?</div>
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            <p dir="ltr">O voto impresso faz sentido se e eleitor
              conferir o votado e depositar numa urna eleitoral.  O
              eletrônico contabiliza e o físico funcionará para revisão
              aleatória ou específica. </p>
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              <div dir="ltr">Em 12h29 Qui, 01/10/2015, Marcelo L. Arruda
                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:mlarruda@terra.com.br">mlarruda@terra.com.br</a>>
                escreveu:<br>
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                      <div>A questão não é essa, Alfredo. A questão é:</div>
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                      <div>1 – Se o voto for impresso e armazenado, o
                        que impede que os fraudadores programem a urna
                        para o sujeito digitar o número do João e a
                        máquina registrar E IMPRIMIR um voto para o
                        José?</div>
                      <div>2 – Se o voto for impresso e ficar como
                        recibo para o eleitor, o que impede que a urna
                        seja programada pelos fraudadores para imprimir
                        um recibo com o nome do João mas CONTABILIZAR o
                        voto para o José?</div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>Marcelo</div>
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                          <div>
                            <div><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                title="fred20br@hotmail.com"
                                href="mailto:fred20br@hotmail.com"
                                target="_blank">Alfredo Salgado</a> </div>
                            <div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 01, 2015
                              12:21 PM</div>
                            <div><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                title="abe-l@ime.usp.br"
                                href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br"
                                target="_blank">Lista da ABE</a> </div>
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                            <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ABE-L] RES: RES:
                              RES: Urnas eletrônicas são confiáveis?</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr">Colegas,<br>
                          <br>
                          Há muita confusão sobre instituição do voto
                          impresso com as fraudes que ocorriam quando o
                          voto era manual. O fato de imprimir o voto
                          nada tem a ver com a possibilidade do eleitor
                          ficar com o seu voto. Pode-se imprimir o voto
                          e deixar guardado em alguma urna, sem que o
                          papel passe pela mão do eleitor.<br>
                          <br>
                          Assim eu entendo!<br>
                          <br>
                          Abraço,<br>
                          Alfredo Salgado<br>
                          <br>
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                            <hr> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:06:49 -0300<br>
                            From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:adelmoib@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">adelmoib@gmail.com</a><br>
                            To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br"
                              target="_blank">abe-l@ime.usp.br</a><br>
                            Subject: Re: [ABE-L] RES: RES: RES: Urnas
                            eletrônicas são confiáveis?<br>
                            <br>
                            <div dir="ltr">Caros redistas,
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>se me permitem:</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>o que penso a respeito das urnas
                                eletrônicas, fruto de observações sobre
                                o que li e de conversas com amigos
                                servidores que trabalham nos TRE:</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>- são potencialmente fraudáveis, mas
                                isoladamente. Sou leigo no assunto mas,
                                se invadem até o site do exército dos
                                EUA, de bancos e etc porque não achariam
                                como fraudar uma urna? Não deve ser algo
                                muito complicado. Ocorre que para ter
                                grande efeito teria que ter fraudar cada
                                urna, uma a uma, e inserir um programa
                                de fraude, contando ainda com a
                                participação de centenas ou milhares de
                                servidores dos TRE´s. Lembrando que são
                                milhares de urnas espalhadas pelo Brasil
                                afora e que de cada urna, é impresso,
                                tão logo é encerrada a votação, um
                                boletim que fica colado na porta da sala
                                informando os votos de cada candidato. E
                                essa totalização está disponível nos
                                TRE´s. Ou seja, certamente muitas
                                denúncias já teriam surgido. Difícil de
                                acreditar que toda uma eleição seja
                                fraudada dessa forma. </div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>Só resta então a fraude envolvendo um
                                grande "esquema" nos tribunais
                                eleitorais. Ok, mas se for assim, ela
                                pode ter ocorrido onde o governo ganhou
                                e também onde perdeu, certo? Se um grupo
                                político tem "bagagem" pra "comprar" os
                                tribunais, então o assunto não seria
                                mais fraude nas urnas. </div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>Acrescente-se a isso o fato de que,
                                quanto tínhamos voto em papel, havia
                                muitas outras fraudes. Um exemplo
                                clássico é o voto "formiguinha".
                                Funcionava assim:</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>O eleitor, no momento de depositar o
                                voto na urna, ficava com a cédula
                                verdadeira e depositava uma falsa. E
                                saia com a verdadeira, que era entregue
                                na mão do cabo eleitoral, que pagava ao
                                eleitor um valor em dinheiro. Este cabo
                                marcava o voto na cédula verdadeira,
                                repassava para outro eleitor, que ao
                                votar, depositava a cédula verdadeira e
                                voltava com a outra verdadeira. Ou seja,
                                passava o dia inteiro votando no
                                candidato do cabo eleitoral. Por isso
                                sou muito contra o voto impresso, pois,
                                será novamente (mais) uma arma pra
                                políticos e eleitores mal intencionados
                                burlarem o sistema.</div>
                              <div> </div>
                              <div>Grande abraço.</div>
                              <div>Adelmo</div>
                              <div> </div>
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                              <div>
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                                  <div>Em 1 de outubro de 2015 11:03,
                                    Luiz Sergio Vaz <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:luizvaz@sarah.br"
                                        target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:luizvaz@sarah.br">luizvaz@sarah.br</a></a>></span>
                                    escreveu:<br>
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                                          <p><span>Marcelo,</span></p>
                                          <p><span>As três empresas de
                                              auditoria foram
                                              contratadas pelo PSDB...
                                              porque o TSE não quis
                                              fazer a recontagem. O ônus
                                              foi do partido. </span></p>
                                          <p><span>Nas eleições do Rio,
                                              o ônus foi do TRE.</span></p>
                                          <p><span>Dois pesos. Duas
                                              medidas.</span></p>
                                          <p><span></span> </p>
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                                              <p><b><span>De:</span></b><span>
                                                  abe [mailto:<a
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                                                  <b>Em nome de </b>Marcelo
                                                  L. Arruda<br>
                                                  <b>Enviada em:</b>
                                                  quarta-feira, 30 de
                                                  setembro de 2015 19:35<br>
                                                  <b>Para:</b> <a
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                                                  <b>Assunto:</b> Re:
                                                  [ABE-L] RES: RES:
                                                  Urnas eletrônicas são
                                                  confiáveis?</span></p>
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                                          <p> </p>
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                                            <div><span>
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                                                  <p><span>Respeito
                                                      todas as opiniões
                                                      manifestadas sobre
                                                      o tema mas ainda
                                                      há alguns pontos
                                                      que me parecem
                                                      duvidosos e podem
                                                      merecer um pouco
                                                      mais de análise:</span></p>
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                                                  <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                  <p><span>1 – Se
                                                      realmente há um
                                                      esquema
                                                      responsável por
                                                      fraudar as urnas,
                                                      o que impede que
                                                      os boletins
                                                      checados pelo
                                                      “você fiscal” e/ou
                                                      as auditorias
                                                      contratadas para
                                                      acompanhar o
                                                      processo (só para
                                                      cutucar: como e
                                                      por quem o auditor
                                                      é contratado? e
                                                      quem audita o
                                                      auditor?) também
                                                      estejam falseados
                                                      e só mostrem
                                                      aquilo que os
                                                      mandantes do
                                                      esquema querem que
                                                      seja mostrado?</span></p>
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                                                  <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                  <p><span>2 – Um
                                                      software
                                                      totalmente
                                                      transparente não
                                                      ficaria vulnerável
                                                      a hackers, vírus e
                                                      tantas outras
                                                      formas similares
                                                      de adulteração de
                                                      dados?</span></p>
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                                                  <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                  <p><span>3 – Saindo da
                                                      mecânica eleitoral
                                                      e voltando para a
                                                      estatística: qual
                                                      seria uma boa
                                                      medida da
                                                      qualidade das
                                                      pesquisas como
                                                      convalidadoras do
                                                      resultado das
                                                      urnas? Talvez o
                                                      excelente trabalho
                                                      do Neale tenha
                                                      alguma resposta a
                                                      isso.</span></p>
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                                                  <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                  <p><span>Debatamos (ou
                                                      não),</span></p>
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                                                  <p><span>Marcelo</span></p>
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                                                      <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                        <p><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
title="leonardo01e@yahoo.com.br" href="mailto:leonardo01e@yahoo.com.br"
target="_blank">Leonardo R. Alves</a> </span></p>
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                                                        <p><b><span>Sent:</span></b><span>
                                                          Wednesday,
                                                          September 30,
                                                          2015 3:51 PM</span></p>
                                                      </div>
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                                                        <p><b><span>To:</span></b><span>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
title="abe-l@ime.usp.br" href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br">abe-l@ime.usp.br</a></a>
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                                                        <p><b><span>Subject:</span></b><span>
                                                          Re: [ABE-L]
                                                          RES: RES:
                                                          Urnas
                                                          eletrônicas
                                                          são
                                                          confiáveis?</span></p>
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                                                    <p><span>Prezados,</span><span></span></p>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p><span>Já havia
                                                          visto este
                                                          vídeo didático
                                                          do Prof. Diego
                                                          Aranha
                                                          (atualmente
                                                          prof. do IC da
                                                          Unicamp) sobre
                                                          a total
                                                          vulnerabilidade
                                                          do sistema
                                                          atual de urnas
                                                          eletrônicas. O
                                                          fato da
                                                          presidente da
                                                          república ter
                                                          vetado o
                                                          projeto
                                                          aprovado pela
                                                          câmara do Voto
                                                          Impresso (a
                                                          urna
                                                          eletrônica
                                                          geraria um
                                                          registro
                                                          físico do
                                                          mesmo) é um
                                                          ataque direto
                                                          a democracia.
                                                          Não há como
                                                          garantir
                                                          transparência
                                                          em um processo
                                                          que pode ser
                                                          facilmente
                                                          fraudado (vide
                                                          as explicações
                                                          do vídeo) e
                                                          não permite
                                                          recontagem.
                                                          Mais uma vez
                                                          as eleições
                                                          ficarão num
                                                          limbo cujo
                                                          protagonista
                                                          continuará
                                                          sendo o eterno
                                                          advogado do
                                                          partido da
                                                          situação. Só
                                                          resta torcer
                                                          para que este
                                                          veto seja
                                                          derrubado no
                                                          congresso,
                                                          pois senão não
                                                          fará mais
                                                          sentido ir
                                                          votar.</span><span></span></p>
                                                    </div>
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                                                      <p><span>Att,</span><span></span></p>
                                                    </div>
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                                                      <p><span>Leonardo</span><span></span></p>
                                                    </div>
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                                                      <p><span></span> </p>
                                                    </div>
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                                                    </div>
                                                  </span>
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                                                          <p><span>Em
                                                          Quarta-feira,
                                                          30 de Setembro
                                                          de 2015 14:55,
                                                          Denis Altieri
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:d_altieri@yahoo.com.br" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:d_altieri@yahoo.com.br">d_altieri@yahoo.com.br</a></a>>
                                                          escreveu:</span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                          <p><span>Pra
                                                          quem ainda não
                                                          viu esse vídeo
                                                          sobre a
                                                          análise das
                                                          urnas feita
                                                          pela UnB.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span>Att.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                          <p><span><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://youtu.be/NHh_MZnBfCE" target="_blank">Especialista e
                                                          professor da
                                                          UNB, Diego
                                                          Aranha diz que
                                                          urna
                                                          eletrônica é
                                                          insegura</a></span></p>
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                                                          alt="Descrição:
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                                                          removida pelo
                                                          remetente.
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                                                          src="cid:part16.02000107.03050301@yahoo.com.br"
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                                                          <p><span><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://youtu.be/NHh_MZnBfCE" target="_blank"><span><span>Especialista
                                                          e professor da
                                                          UNB, Diego
                                                          Aranha diz que
                                                          ur...</span></span></a></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://youtu.be/NHh_MZnBfCE" target="_blank"><span><span>Visualizar
                                                          em </span></span><span><b><span>youtu.be</span></b></span></a></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span><span>Visualizado
                                                          por Yahoo</span></span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                          <p><span>Em
                                                          Quarta-feira,
                                                          30 de Setembro
                                                          de 2015 14:06,
                                                          Aishameriane
                                                          Schmidt <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aishameriane@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:aishameriane@gmail.com">aishameriane@gmail.com</a></a>>
                                                          escreveu:</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>Um
                                                          professor da
                                                          Unicamp é
                                                          responsável
                                                          pelo "você
                                                          fiscal", uma
                                                          iniciativa
                                                          para comparar
                                                          boletins de
                                                          urna com votos
                                                          apurados.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>É bem
                                                          legal e vale a
                                                          pena ler o
                                                          site e saber
                                                          mais do
                                                          projeto: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.vocefiscal.org/" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vocefiscal.org">http://www.vocefiscal.org</a></a></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>On
                                                          Sep 30, 2015
                                                          1:58 PM, "Luiz
                                                          Sergio Vaz"
                                                          <<a
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                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </span></p>
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                                                          <p><span>Marcelo,
                                                          não me lembro
                                                          como a estória
                                                          prosseguiu,
                                                          exceto que os
                                                          mesários foram
                                                          informados. No
                                                          entanto, se a
                                                          urna foi
                                                          retida ou
                                                          trocada, disso
                                                          não sei. </span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span>Mas,
                                                          vamos supor
                                                          que a urna
                                                          tenha sido
                                                          retida. Os
                                                          votos que lá
                                                          estavam seriam
                                                          cancelados ?
                                                          Não. Como
                                                          restaurar o
                                                          voto daquele
                                                          eleitor ?
                                                          Impossível. O
                                                          meu amigo
                                                          eleitor estava
                                                          delirando ?
                                                          Improvável.</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span>Não
                                                          conheço um
                                                          sistema que
                                                          seja infalível
                                                          ! </span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span>A
                                                          eleição
                                                          brasileira com
                                                          certeza tem
                                                          falhas. O que
                                                          aconteceria se
                                                          vc fosse votar
                                                          e se deparasse
                                                          com uma
                                                          assinatura no
                                                          lugar da sua ?
                                                          Duas coisas:
                                                          1-vc não
                                                          poderia mais
                                                          votar. 2-Não
                                                          há como
                                                          invalidar o
                                                          voto da outra
                                                          pessoa. E isso
                                                          aconteceu em
                                                          muito
                                                          municípios,
                                                          segundo
                                                          relatado pela
                                                          imprensa.</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>Já
                                                          que o sistema
                                                          eleitoral
                                                          brasileiro não
                                                          é isento de
                                                          falhas, por
                                                          que o Estado
                                                          Brasileiro não
                                                          permite
                                                          auditorias e
                                                          recontagens ?
                                                          O TSE não fez
                                                          a auditoria
                                                          solicitada
                                                          pelo PSDB, mas
                                                          o TRE-RJ fez a
                                                          recontagem
                                                          para eleição
                                                          de deputados
                                                          estaduais...
                                                          Por que não
                                                          ser 100%
                                                          transparente ?
                                                          Dizem que
                                                          recontar é
                                                          antidemocrático
                                                          (ainda não
                                                          entendi essa
                                                          ???) </span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>Diante
                                                          de tantas
                                                          denúncias à
                                                          época e de
                                                          falhas
                                                          possíveis no
                                                          sistema, por
                                                          que não ? Que
                                                          mal haveria ?
                                                          Principalmente
                                                          numa eleição
                                                          com diferença
                                                          tão apertada
                                                          de votos: 3,6
                                                          milhões... ou
                                                          melhor: 1,8
                                                          milhões de
                                                          votos + 1.</span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span>Daria
                                                          mais
                                                          credibilidade
                                                          à eleição, ao
                                                          sistema! </span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>Mas,
                                                          a quem
                                                          interessa ? </span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>Só
                                                          obteremos as
                                                          respostas, se
                                                          fizermos as
                                                          perguntas
                                                          certas.</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span>Abraço</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>Luiz</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><b><span>De:</span></b><span>
                                                          abe [mailto:<a
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                                                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abe-bounces@lists.ime.usp.br">abe-bounces@lists.ime.usp.br</a></a>]
                                                          <b>Em nome de
                                                          </b>Marcelo L.
                                                          Arruda<br>
                                                          <b>Enviada em:</b>
                                                          quarta-feira,
                                                          30 de setembro
                                                          de 2015 12:39<br>
                                                          <b>Para:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br">abe-l@ime.usp.br</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Assunto:</b>
                                                          Re: [ABE-L]
                                                          RES: Urnas
                                                          eletrônicas
                                                          são
                                                          confiáveis?</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><span>Complementando,
                                                          Luiz:
                                                          considerando
                                                          que o
                                                          resultado das
                                                          urnas acabou
                                                          sendo
                                                          razoavelmente
                                                          próximo do
                                                          previsto nas
                                                          pesquisas de
                                                          intenção de
                                                          voto/boca de
                                                          urna, esse seu
                                                          depoimento
                                                          estaria
                                                          corroborando a
                                                          hipótese do
                                                          “supermegaesquema”
                                                          que citei no
                                                          meu primeiro
                                                          e-mail?</span></p>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>Marcelo</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <p><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
title="mlarruda@terra.com.br" href="mailto:mlarruda@terra.com.br"
                                                          target="_blank">Marcelo
                                                          L. Arruda</a>
                                                          </span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><b><span>Sent:</span></b><span>
                                                          Wednesday,
                                                          September 30,
                                                          2015 12:34 PM</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><b><span>To:</span></b><span>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
title="abe-l@ime.usp.br" href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br">abe-l@ime.usp.br</a></a>
                                                          </span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p><b><span>Subject:</span></b><span>
                                                          Re:
                                                          [ABE-L]RES:
                                                          Urnas
                                                          eletrônicas
                                                          são
                                                          confiáveis?</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>Luiz,</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>    E
                                                          o que essas
                                                          pessoas
                                                          fizeram?
                                                          Reclamaram aos
                                                          mesários, aos
                                                          fiscais ou a
                                                          alguém daquela
                                                          seção
                                                          eleitoral? A
                                                          urna foi
                                                          retida,
                                                          desligada ou
                                                          algo do gênero
                                                          ou continuou
                                                          operando
                                                          normalmente?
                                                          Como essa
                                                          história
                                                          prosseguiu?</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>Marcelo</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                          <p><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
title="luizvaz@sarah.br" href="mailto:luizvaz@sarah.br" target="_blank">Luiz
                                                          Sergio Vaz</a>
                                                          </span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><b><span>Sent:</span></b><span>
                                                          Wednesday,
                                                          September 30,
                                                          2015 11:53 AM</span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><b><span>To:</span></b><span>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
title="carvalho@statistika.com.br"
                                                          href="mailto:carvalho@statistika.com.br"
target="_blank">'Jose Carvalho'</a> ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          title="abe-l@ime.usp.br"
href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br" target="_blank">abe-l@ime.usp.br</a> </span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><b><span>Subject:</span></b><span>
                                                          [ABE-L] RES:
                                                          Urnas
                                                          eletrônicas
                                                          são
                                                          confiáveis?</span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span>Carvalho,</span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span>Para
                                                          colocar
                                                          pimenta nesse
                                                          molho, na
                                                          última
                                                          eleição,
                                                          pessoas
                                                          próximas
                                                          relataram que
                                                          digitaram 45 e
                                                          aparecia 13 na
                                                          tela. </span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span>Essas
                                                          pessoas são
                                                          confiáveis,
                                                          vividas e não
                                                          teriam porque
                                                          contar
                                                          lorotas.</span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                          <p><b><span>De:</span></b><span>
                                                          abe <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[mailto:abe-bounces@lists.ime.usp.br]" target="_blank">[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:abe-bounces@lists.ime.usp.br">mailto:abe-bounces@lists.ime.usp.br</a>]</a>
                                                          <b>Em nome de
                                                          </b>Jose
                                                          Carvalho<br>
                                                          <b>Enviada em:</b>
                                                          quarta-feira,
                                                          30 de setembro
                                                          de 2015 10:03<br>
                                                          <b>Para:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abe-l@ime.usp.br">abe-l@ime.usp.br</a></a><br>
                                                          <b>Assunto:</b>
                                                          [ABE-L] Urnas
                                                          eletrônicas
                                                          são
                                                          confiáveis?</span><span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span></span> </p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p><span>Caros
                                                          colegas:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Sei que muito
                                                          já se disse
                                                          sobre a não
                                                          confiabilidade
                                                          das urnas
                                                          eletrônicas.
                                                          Em uma época
                                                          em que não se
                                                          pode confiar
                                                          no governo,
                                                          nem  em
                                                          insituição
                                                          alguma, a
                                                          desconfiança
                                                          sobre as urnas
                                                          eletrônicas e
                                                          o processo
                                                          eleitoral
                                                          aumenta.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          De leitura
                                                          casual,
                                                          encontrei um
                                                          artigo
                                                          disponível na
                                                          Internet. A
                                                          referência
                                                          veio da
                                                          revista
                                                          Significance,
                                                          editada
                                                          conjuntamente
                                                          pela American
                                                          Statistical
                                                          Association e
                                                          pela Royal
                                                          Statistical
                                                          Society. Vale
                                                          a pena ler. E
                                                          eu fico
                                                          pensando - se
                                                          nos EUA, onde
                                                          - supostamente
                                                          - há mais
                                                          transparência,
                                                          ocorrem
                                                          fraudes, o qeu
                                                          pode ocorrer
                                                          aqui?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          O artigo é </span></p>
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                                                          <h1><span>How
                                                          trustworthy
                                                          are electronic
                                                          voting systems
                                                          in the US?</span></h1>
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                                                          <p><span>Written
                                                          by <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.statslife.org.uk/component/contact/contact/230"
                                                          target="_blank">Beth
                                                          Clarkson</a>
                                                          on 05 June
                                                          2015. Posted
                                                          in <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.statslife.org.uk/politics" target="_blank">Politics</a>
                                                          </span></p>
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                                                          <p><span><br>
                                                          O site é <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bit.ly/1NBXkiU" target="_blank">bit.ly/1NBXkiU</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Abraços<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Zé Carvalho</span></p>
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                                                          <p><span>_______________________________________________<br>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">===================================================<br>
                                      <b>Adelmo Inácio Bertolde</b>
                                      <div>Professor Adjunto IV -
                                        Departamento de Estatística</div>
                                      <div>Universidade Federal do
                                        Espírito Santo/UFES -
                                        Vitória/Brasil</div>
                                      <div>(27) 4009-2481<br>
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